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WWF on you

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like here we are this is long walks

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Avenue in the uplands

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remember the first video that we did

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where Phil Jones the son of the witness

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came up to tell us about his father's

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sight in of a black triangle roughly 18

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inches thick traveling across the road

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over the house there and it dipped well

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across the road slowly and then went

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over the following house 12 hours yeah

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12 well that was about core bar sex on

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the night of 19th of January 1983 and

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like we've called the light of the

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triangles now we're gonna see a witness

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couple of streets away from here called

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Natalie Bowden and she was about 13 at

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the time

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and she saw something roughly between

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half six and a half seven on the same

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night so he's interested in the fact

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he's so close by but new thing is it

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wasn't triangle he was mall it was a the

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sound of it at large discs so we can

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have a chat with her now

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outside the house where she grew up

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which was a mother's house

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until recently they just sold it

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we'll go across get the roads heading

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south which is the sim direction of a

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triangle that oh boy in Jones saw one

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Beachwood wrote where Natalie Belden was

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and the 38

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it's thirty eight pm taco site there

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Steve

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from Swansea UFO network welcome to

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another exciting installment of night of

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the triangles today is Thursday the 11th

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of August 2016 we've come down the

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beechwood road and sketti to interview

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another witness to this extraordinary

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event so our hand now and you can

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introduce it to the lady involved right

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here we are number 38 Beach Road roads

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uplands to see Natalie Bowden who's was

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13 at the time of her sighting 13 her

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take place right we began asking out to

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the owner to tell us in their own words

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what happened just for the record one

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record this is not to convince anyone

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this is you know my story for me I don't

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need to convince anyone okay so in this

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house of 13 I was sitting in the back

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room which is next to the kitchen in the

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annex and one evening was super my talk

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watching TV and I just had an urge to

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get up and go out and go my butt cut

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through the house the dog doesn't follow

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what talk to me on my thumb okay so I

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came out from the back room with King up

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the front and stood on this step right

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here and in the sky 30 feet above that

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house over there is a massive UFO the

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central part of it is as I said before

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it's a stadium shape okay

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but the windows are like this size like

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you know and but there's a lot of likes

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and I caught the lights with creams and

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aquas and pinks and all soft its kind of

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colors and they were all different you

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know I thought it was trying to say

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something to me in my in my head but I

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was also signed and you're thinking what

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they're doing that I didn't see the

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circumference of it because it was

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immense you know is it black scary

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bro I was focusing on with the lights

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underneath so I'm looking at it

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wondering why it's there for five

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minutes I'm science and you're wondering

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whether it needs the water in the park

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you know trying to make sense of what

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I'm seeing and logically explain it in

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my own air so I couldn't make any sense

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of it and then I thought people think

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I'm gonna be a nutter so I better cool

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so I started screaming into the house to

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cool my brother my sister and my

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stepfather so they came out because I

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was causing so much commotion are the

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neighbors in the street to come out so I

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said to across that to up here one

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across them so place it in the end there

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was about 99 of us looking at this thing

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the other thing is is that it wasn't

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cold anymore the sound in the street

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baby it felt like a pin could had

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dropped you know if you could use it

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here a pin drop it was that kind of I

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know just stillness complete stillness

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no sound out of this thing that's bad

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but what my stepfather and my sister

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finally could might be and they stand on

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what Utah and they're looking at it and

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I'm like can you believe it you know it

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sir see UFO you know he's like wow yeah

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you but you know no excitement or

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interest that's all just gonna pick a

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tell oh yeah UFO

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I'll put at this point my stepfather

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didn't get along I'm doing this to set

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the scene because it's not normal what

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they did next he walked in and I said

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what you do it and he's like I've seen

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enough so he steps down mechanically but

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fluidly follows only my sister does

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exactly the same I'm like Ashley what

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you doing so shouldn't you answer me

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just fold them in which is not normal

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because they she would never ever but

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just stopping us so they went in and I'm

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like what I'm watching it go you know so

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I'm standing there so it's been five

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minutes I was out on my own I called

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there might be another five minutes

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they've gone in and now I'm just

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stand-in there and just watching it and

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I'm you know because looking at the

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lights wondering you know just asking me

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questions mentally you know

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telepathically if I you know I was like

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sending it like what's going on while

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you there what you do it you know take

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me away even who asked it to give me you

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know another perspective the border days

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come on Contini there's a kid you just

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joking around of just looking for

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something that's the logic in some sense

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so after another five maybe ten minutes

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I was you know I was just really just

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you know I was just looking at it and

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then all of a sudden it wasn't that as

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clear as I'm looking at you too I didn't

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see you move but you just not there

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anyone was just blank space I could see

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the stars

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it got cold it was wind yeah you know

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that was stillness I'm definitely on the

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street for me looked across all the

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house there's no no but what I saw was

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the central bit like say I couldn't see

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the circumference of it but I know that

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my sister we discussed it when we went

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back in she doesn't might you know I

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went back in kind of really just gutted

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and upset and wound up but

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you know I didn't happen on I didn't see

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it go that's four of us that I just

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wanted to see it move and so I went in

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am I set forth being the Joker I said

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did you see a UFO go and I was like your

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UFO all right no you know I've just

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couldn't make any sense out of it and my

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sisters you know had said that she well

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now she didn't we didn't discuss it

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that's the weird thing about all this is

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that we didn't discuss it with a

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neighbor server again nothing was

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discussed the next day no one talked the

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next morning or the next mean I'm

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addicted and my stepfather got the

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newspaper The Evening Post and I just

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hope need it on a page when a UFO and it

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said satellite out of orbit in big

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letters I think a little story there big

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letters satellite orbit or satellite a

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ticket said and yeah a cup that's

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remember just big box seeing satellite

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and I was like yeah as if you know but

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you know that was all he you know it was

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just it was some psycho kind of joke and

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it became a joke that what we saw

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between us I said it was never discussed

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again I mentioned it to my friends I

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mentioned it to on certain occasions if

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ever that you know the subject came up

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and people think I'm nuts oh there you

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go so you just don't discuss it so much

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anymore but the following week

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okay the after that the Russian

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satellites out of orbit

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I read the article and it said something

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about discounting it was a UFO because

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there was a Saturn I'm like uh-huh

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it was 30 feet it was 30 feets I mean it

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was so low I mean I could even see you

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stood to be 30 feet above the ground or

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about that well perhaps it was probably

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about just that it couldn't be I don't

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know what I'm looking at bro it was just

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that it was just so low I could see

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every detail or the central part of it

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and like as I couldn't see these and you

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know the outside of it cuz all I was

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focusing on was the lights in which I

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was thinking that is

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you can't understand likes can you good

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you just thought if I define this world

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that was about seven days off Twitter's

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washed my hair oh it's two days whatever

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it wasn't wash my hair I was robbed the

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shampoo in math I won't spit this feels

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really cold yeah just thought we killed

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so when I was a kid nothing we were

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housed in the car feels really weird

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bike but that come from I mean wash my

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hair enough to know that that wasn't

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there before the experience and yeah so

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I asked them that you know some some

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people said ask your mother you know if

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you're an accident that no you have no

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neck said that but the point is I knew

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it wasn't that full thanks for you and

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so I don't know and you told me that you

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you stepfather doesn't remember it at

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all

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well this is the weird thing years later

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when I had my first child that I think

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there was an article I was eighteen

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nineteen an article came out in these

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paper and it was a young lad in Bishop's

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turn I say young man I don't know his

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name now it's million spring cos major

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Daniel I think and he was doing he was

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looking for you know things are not

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sections and well he was looking for

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research and things they talked to some

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people and he wanted to you know the

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ones that he considered that was the

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relevance he'd come around an interview

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but that was not when I was eighteen I

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saw the article about it when I was 18

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19 or something I can't my brother's my

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first or second daughter but I saw that

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article but it's only when I had my son

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Harvey was in 1998 but I saw the article

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again I thought I'll get in touch with

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him this time it's a lot less going on

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my life now good job so he came around I

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got in touch with him he came around and

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he just interviewed me at home I think

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it's really young at the time

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in 1920 I think as fight so young you

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look well you know girl this yeah so I

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gave him the story he said no would you

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mind doing some hypnosis I said I don't

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mind but the thing is is I had a good

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experience I don't remember you know I

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don't want to go back in and hypnosis

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bull patch what it actually happened

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yeah that worries me that's the sense of

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you know I did I went for it anyway but

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I'd actually I'll be my partner the day

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I might go for hypnosis I don't want to

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know Wolf's throat where the punch we

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saw that you know 10 B and yeah I went

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there but they said to do a color chart

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to see whether you're susceptible to

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being hypnotized so I called out these

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colors and he said no you're not

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susceptible today even no recollection

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of loss of time or anything at all but

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the only thing the only recollection I

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have is that point where they'd gone in

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I'm sanding that and in that moment of

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me waiting for it to go I can't I can't

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explain how I didn't see it leave

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because that's all I was that full

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you've got a recollection of it going

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whether it just disappeared oh no no no

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movement no disappeared with a really

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caution lights on him well yeah usable

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they're like yes for saying the

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essential part of their toil after

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everyone is it's like I said that's a

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distinctive shape I was looking so the

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size of that that would have been these

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two houses here mm-hmm

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imagine that as a state in shape mm-hmm

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but it's going that way okay

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I'm seeing this side of it yeah um it

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goes out because it was so black that

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yeah it's a giant oh it's a black sky

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anyway right so I was aware no you

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couldn't see the shape of the craft

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itself just this ring yes yeah yeah but

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when Neil sprinkle in touch of me I

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asked him I said it was anybody else

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that night and I said yep my sister and

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you know I told me story so I phoned my

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father and my sister my stepfather said

302
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before you talking about like was it you

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know that you had that one snap I've got

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no idea what you talking about

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yeah okay so if I'm sister and she's

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she's in bath and he's in Bristol and

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she was she said oh yeah I thought it

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was a dream

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besides she put it she thought that was

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a dream was interested and I said well

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no as she was clear she was like and

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when I said you know she's sorry ash but

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she she she she thinks that you know me

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by saying it was for me I felt like it

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was to me you know that experience was

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just for me because like I said I it was

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the first one night you have made a

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racket called everyone out and when they

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caught everyone you know they come back

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in and I'm waiting for it to go and when

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it does go but I don't see it though

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there's no noise nothing I suppose that

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you could hear a pin drop it was still

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funny my to describe the yeah in every

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window so what in that'll be window

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around that bit was protruding I guess

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in staging but this coming Stadium is

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protruding down its titular dad who's

329
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like [\h__\h] or was it no that was the

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stadium shape so anyway the lights like

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to save them for the size the windows

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okay I'm looking at it I know that the

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size I think I caught her a 70 ship

334
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because it was very clunky like

335
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seventies cars are it's not this is

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elongated streamlined gonna you know

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stuff you get these days you know it's

338
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it was it seemed quite good you know the

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actual shape of the windows you know

340
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they're on a slight angle coming in as

341
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well so but underneath I don't know I

342
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bought something nice but I was just

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focus on lights that's what I can you

344
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remember and when I say they were pearly

345
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they were kind of like you know all very

346
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soft soft colors room mint

347
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you know iridescent

348
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yeah crustal yes yes so what time of day

349
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was this was uh I don't know I can only

350
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say it was between six and cuz my

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stepfather was home from work

352
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so it's alpha-strike me and my sister my

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mum was it's a very busy household for

354
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three of us to be in it's quite shocking

355
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there's about seven of us eight yes I

356
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didn't understand so it's just I think

357
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it's between six and Papa seven eight

358
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that's that's you know but say it was

359
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dark it was very dark it was cold

360
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well not when it not when it was that no

361
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but you say the people you have this

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side the road looking at it so if you

363
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say it was over that house no one not

364
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these two houses right um that one over

365
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there well the people standing yeah mr.

366
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James's family

367
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well then so for that but they were the

368
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other side of the road yeah but they

369
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:05,870
were looking across up they were looking

370
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across thought it was over the street

371
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then yeah for them to be able to see it

372
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well let me say I saw this a bit

373
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so it was kept for children over you

374
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know it's probably to the pages so it

375
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would be those people there would have

376
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been looking straight up with it no they

377
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weren't there the people next door to

378
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these laws yeah everyone else would have

379
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been there was these sort of still

380
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things students time that this time is

381
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you know yeah there's gonna Steven area

382
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at that hopeful off the street do they

383
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come I don't know I just look at

384
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focusing on the potential but but what I

385
00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:43,100
say is my sister said when I said that

386
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she remembers it like a dream and I

387
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tried to explain to her but she said I

388
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don't have any lights in the middle I am

389
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Not sure that they were all coming out

390
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the edge is that what you mean the edge

391
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and she went over the edge of you know

392
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the the desk of it so she told me it was

393
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a desk I just ran the central bit so I

394
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knew it was black and I couldn't see the

395
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skip those stars whereas when it gone

396
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,580
all he could see were stars whoa back we

397
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interviewed another witness mark ray

398
00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:15,650
worth on that night you remember that

399
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:18,800
very vividly he saw two gigantic

400
00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:21,050
triangles moving very slowly from town

401
00:19:26,650 --> 00:19:24,710
hill over towards debate what he

402
00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:26,660
described was on each of these big

403
00:19:31,570 --> 00:19:27,920
triangles was a ring of lights

404
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:31,580
underneath so I'm wondering whether your

405
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ring your stadium shape central part of

406
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it could have been cut because you said

407
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he can't remember the shape of it it

408
00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:40,130
could have been I don't know the shape

409
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:42,470
of it I can't say she's congested but

410
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:44,330
I'm struck by the similarity because he

411
00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:46,850
said he was is this is like Tring

412
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:50,270
underneath yeah so detail of this ring

413
00:19:54,910 --> 00:19:52,370
and I was talking to this these lighting

414
00:19:57,820 --> 00:19:54,920
so told it did whatever was inside and I

415
00:19:59,920 --> 00:19:57,830
was asking it you know many questions at

416
00:20:02,530 --> 00:19:59,930
the time to kind of logically I was

417
00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:02,540
thinking I mean we've all seen 13 the

418
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:03,830
closing credits are served crank we'd

419
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:05,450
all seen that there was like a program

420
00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:07,130
one that was called V at the time when I

421
00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:09,680
was a kid so you know I was I had lots

422
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,230
of questions for come on do you need

423
00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:14,000
that watching the path you need you know

424
00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:16,910
why here why now what's going on

425
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:19,220
my dog wouldn't come out you know and

426
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:23,090
and sensed something I had come out but

427
00:20:26,530 --> 00:20:24,710
I don't know why I came out there's no

428
00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:26,540
reason for me to get up tomorrow sitting

429
00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:32,030
you know I just was there any comment by

430
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:33,470
then the other people who will speak to

431
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:38,690
you know that time which is why when I

432
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:41,720
say my sister they left I went I've seen

433
00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:42,110
enough

434
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:44,630
oh my goodness I just you know it that's

435
00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:46,130
a very strange really I said you're nuts

436
00:20:53,530 --> 00:20:50,990
mean something like that it's very well

437
00:20:54,910 --> 00:20:53,540
after five minutes who's you know I was

438
00:20:57,310 --> 00:20:54,920
just staring there goes my god it's

439
00:21:01,330 --> 00:20:57,320
amazing no I'm a cousin to talk to that

440
00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:01,340
I knew that I wasn't gonna be discounted

441
00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:03,230
and it you know everyone you know I need

442
00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:04,670
you to call somebody others that's how

443
00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:06,680
my brain was working it was yeah I'm

444
00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:08,420
gonna be called nuts I better get some

445
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,580
of that yeah but the racket I was making

446
00:21:16,510 --> 00:21:13,280
out of scream about you know screaming

447
00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:16,520
at them to Matt just kiss event I was

448
00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:21,560
just worried so they came out he stood

449
00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:24,830
there nope yep he's supposed she said

450
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:27,710
that and Ashley is very quiet very very

451
00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:31,520
quiet just just I mean it's act a

452
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:33,560
character one for her to follow them

453
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:36,530
follow a men which makes me feel that

454
00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:38,090
the mechanical of fluid movements they

455
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:40,670
did was it is under control is account

456
00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:43,310
so there is more to it than what meets

457
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:45,080
the eye there is more to it than the

458
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store but I have any answers I just I

459
00:21:50,860 --> 00:21:49,310
just I mean I thought what better over

460
00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:50,870
the years and I thought well you know

461
00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:52,700
we're studying my life in any shape or

462
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:53,030
form

463
00:22:00,100 --> 00:21:56,450
hmm I've had four children and okay no

464
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:00,110
problem well if that's any study you

465
00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:01,970
know the Old Testament though there were

466
00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:03,950
many many witnesses that night one was

467
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:06,500
only two streets up as you know yeah

468
00:22:12,570 --> 00:22:11,600
Louis Avenue in Fort Wayne Jones good

469
00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:12,580
person name was it

470
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0.0 uh double l wi ana

471
00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:19,340
he's passed away now but four years ago

472
00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:22,160
but his son has come forward with his

473
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:23,990
story he was eight

474
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:28,610
no no it's different one so this one was

475
00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:30,410
just two streets up in Lawrence Avenue

476
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,700
the other sketchy Road

477
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:34,640
yeah and he saw a black triangle but the

478
00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:36,770
size of a car moving over the top of the

479
00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:37,190
house

480
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:39,470
the deputy cop as it moved across the

481
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:42,890
road a walking pace heading this way

482
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,770
about the size of the car yeah and it

483
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,840
was only about 18 inches thick it's

484
00:22:51,610 --> 00:22:49,840
black triangle and you know the

485
00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:51,620
projection from each corner with all

486
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,390
white liked on the end of it and that

487
00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:55,760
was it was heading this way there's no

488
00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:57,560
way it was that small no it's obviously

489
00:23:09,030 --> 00:22:59,210
not the same object but he was within

490
00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:09,040
within I just know that it was 15 it was

491
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,950
15 tiny perfectly because it would be

492
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:14,720
about right yeah I can't say there's all

493
00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:17,330
I enjoy his wisdom yeah he was a driving

494
00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:18,830
instructor so he was leaving those

495
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:21,380
specific time to pick up a bike so he

496
00:23:26,260 --> 00:23:23,210
can say clearly I don't know what it was

497
00:23:29,230 --> 00:23:26,270
might my wanna make partner what said

498
00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:29,240
that I told him 13 whatever I might

499
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,640
years ago that it was I was getting

500
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:33,200
ready to watch she sent us or whatever

501
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:38,060
time you stand as his on Oh what is it

502
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:41,720
yeah and they had children it was my

503
00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:43,370
kind of parameter to get the kids to bed

504
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:47,080
and I was like my day is done when I was

505
00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:50,840
honest anything else or yeah yeah but

506
00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:53,750
not like no no I was walking back from

507
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,670
school one day you know and I thought

508
00:23:59,170 --> 00:23:58,000
you know even to in Baramulla game damn

509
00:24:00,940 --> 00:23:59,180
bottomless

510
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:00,950
burn it you know it goes flat through

511
00:24:04,330 --> 00:24:02,450
the street then straight yeah just Anna

512
00:24:05,740 --> 00:24:04,340
I remember looking up to the sky because

513
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:05,750
I think once you've seen something once

514
00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:09,050
you kind of decode okay a certain you

515
00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:11,180
know I don't know if you've got the same

516
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:14,360
car you sniffing everywhere you see so

517
00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:17,750
much you so yeah that was God when I

518
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:20,390
heard Dominique so obviously that was

519
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:24,370
six seven eight years later maybe

520
00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:26,600
yeah just saw this gonna think it was

521
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:28,100
moving the sky Britt was just it was

522
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:29,700
this kind of light so

523
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:31,230
the light was what it wasn't a plane

524
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:32,820
because it was moving

525
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:35,250
it was very high up but it looked like a

526
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,870
shiny object but the light was hitting

527
00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:38,760
it so it was kind of you you couldn't

528
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:41,040
clearly see what it was but it was

529
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:43,410
movement that I thought was just hang on

530
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:44,130
that's going

531
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:45,810
it wasn't look like this it was going up

532
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:47,550
it looked like what staying still but

533
00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:49,320
then you realize it was getting further

534
00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:52,110
away and then another time was when I

535
00:25:04,190 --> 00:24:59,490
had Laurel which was 96 97 9 1997 yeah

536
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:04,200
196 it's pretty awful so like night 7:30

537
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:09,210
yeah 19 8 hey I've been done but I

538
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:11,010
wasn't done by the time I know the

539
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:13,050
valley that goes times through from four

540
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:30,000
I would you know that comes down so

541
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:31,740
awkward somebody was open and I don't

542
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:34,020
know christening and after-party you

543
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:36,690
know with all the kids and in the garden

544
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:40,080
I saw this kind of cloud but I saw

545
00:25:43,550 --> 00:25:41,250
something behind the cloudiness or the

546
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:43,560
lights behind the cloud which was and it

547
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,510
seemed like this cloud was moving with

548
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:48,960
his life but that was again through the

549
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:50,970
valley if you give you in that area you

550
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:55,350
can see imagine imagine that's the road

551
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,170
it's the road one time I'm wearing a

552
00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:00,720
half sphere so the valley is going down

553
00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:02,750
and it was just coming back moving

554
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:05,430
through the valley this cloud but the

555
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:07,230
lights behind it so I didn't see it but

556
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:08,490
I saw the lights again

557
00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:10,590
the light so I just thought on this

558
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,890
well after that experience I was having

559
00:26:23,129 --> 00:26:20,950
many

560
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:23,139
dreams that comes past premonitions of

561
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:24,490
transfer my daughter before I was born

562
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:26,830
and something old man that you know a

563
00:26:33,149 --> 00:26:30,370
lot of things like that comes upon did

564
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,159
you have any sleep paralysis like before

565
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:34,960
the event the main event the laughter

566
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:38,110
the main event is it cases of waking up

567
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:39,610
and not being able to move and that type

568
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:42,730
of stuff after Laurel there was a couple

569
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:44,500
of things but I you know I think I was

570
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:45,880
just time to catch enough drought and

571
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:48,490
children you know sleep in my sleep

572
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:49,929
patterns always completely changed after

573
00:26:54,919 --> 00:26:51,820
having children and you know your breast

574
00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:54,929
feeds are the night and then you tie it

575
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:57,669
as well as situations will you sort of

576
00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:00,220
wake up a new clue you can't speak one

577
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:02,620
of our dreams were looking at I thought

578
00:27:06,749 --> 00:27:04,299
a book enough and then again I drank

579
00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:06,759
when I woke up again this happens three

580
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:08,230
or four times and it just freaky because

581
00:27:19,259 --> 00:27:16,809
you think you're awake going back to the

582
00:27:21,869 --> 00:27:19,269
lighting question the people on the

583
00:27:27,509 --> 00:27:21,879
street that did do you know it did he

584
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:27,519
know anything family Duncan you submit

585
00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:32,799
such a mrs. Parker down there passed

586
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,559
away the people down there I'm not very

587
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:37,600
sure that they were so just cuz I said

588
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,250
it was a student there's only one or two

589
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,679
students house but these rent house or

590
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:43,500
flat down that so didn't know they were

591
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,850
you gentleman down there like it's from

592
00:28:04,799 --> 00:27:47,919
host man you should tend to his roses

593
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:04,809
all the time he passed away that's why

594
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:06,070
when you just said the boy would say

595
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:07,779
that's quite interesting to being

596
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:10,120
because you know all these children and

597
00:28:14,879 --> 00:28:12,460
I remember it is clear as day because no

598
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,889
one has shaken at me from or you

599
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:16,000
couldn't have been know that wouldn't

600
00:28:20,129 --> 00:28:17,769
you know so many people you know and

601
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:20,139
anybody killed so obviously that's why

602
00:28:23,999 --> 00:28:22,090
for many years I kept quiet about things

603
00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:24,009
or if the subject came up and people

604
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:26,740
were interested I'd speak about it but

605
00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:27,900
otherwise you know

606
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,800
you know butts the young boy seal spring

607
00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:33,510
came round and we talked about this when

608
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:35,420
I found out I could say from actually

609
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,650
about the circumference of it she's

610
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:38,640
although it's coming out the skin

611
00:28:43,670 --> 00:28:41,370
Francis the first time I knew as they

612
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:43,680
because I could see stars you know

613
00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:47,250
because when it gone I saw it starts so

614
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,950
disappear did you actually see it smooth

615
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,500
just one minute

616
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,500
air thanks well yeah and that's the bit

617
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,320
that annoys me the most is that I was

618
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,840
there from the moment I came out and I

619
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:17,460
was the first person out on the streets

620
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:19,290
I'm a killer knows how to fight minutes

621
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,030
cuz I'm talking to it and looking at the

622
00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:22,860
lights and thinking what he's trying to

623
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:24,390
say to me through these lights or you

624
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:26,070
know that's what that's my mind that was

625
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:28,050
my mind was thinking because I'd seen

626
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,490
these films it wasn't the influence of

627
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:32,340
these films I felt like it's about to be

628
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:34,520
in that I wasn't scared or nervous

629
00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:37,800
that's all I felt very uncomfortable I

630
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:42,630
just wanted to know why yeah so I'm

631
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:44,610
staring at it I'm seeing the lights and

632
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:46,530
I'm thinking after you know I'm studying

633
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:49,110
the shapes of never like the shape of

634
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:50,490
the stage in me that's why I could say

635
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:54,120
it so clearly what I saw I could draw it

636
00:29:58,570 --> 00:29:55,830
and I could even you know I want to say

637
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:58,580
every test sent more paralyzed those

638
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:01,980
lights the windows both little pearly

639
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:06,570
it's kind of like a pulsing like this

640
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:11,340
about this yeah it's very soft

641
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:12,809
I remember when off the Rubicon never

642
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:15,960
settled did somebody mention a little

643
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,690
missing time after you witnessed it was

644
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,520
the only missing time I asked of them I

645
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:22,980
don't well the only thing getting back

646
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:24,150
to the question just asked me did I

647
00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:25,620
think it go didn't deem it here like

648
00:30:31,239 --> 00:30:27,590
they was I was standing here and I'm

649
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,249
in the end I'm like come on move you

650
00:30:34,930 --> 00:30:32,960
know that's that was my attitude it was

651
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:34,940
it was quite jokey about it it's like

652
00:30:38,649 --> 00:30:37,129
okay you know I just wanna see you move

653
00:30:41,019 --> 00:30:38,659
we move now what can take more than it

654
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:41,029
unit but it doesn't time because when

655
00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:42,200
you were aware suddenly where they're

656
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:44,840
gone the other spectators in the street

657
00:30:50,409 --> 00:30:46,370
that had gone as well well that's what I

658
00:30:51,789 --> 00:30:50,419
mean well however long later it was I

659
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:51,799
didn't look at the time when I went in

660
00:30:55,509 --> 00:30:53,809
and my stepfather said did you see it go

661
00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:55,519
you know there was old that jokey

662
00:30:59,859 --> 00:30:58,129
element there my sister was silent but I

663
00:31:00,430 --> 00:30:59,869
was looking at it and I was sitting come

664
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:00,440
on then

665
00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:02,840
will you move some get bored now first I

666
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,999
should leave when I was getting bored

667
00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:07,039
it's been long enough and and it wasn't

668
00:31:10,989 --> 00:31:08,659
cold it was still like that

669
00:31:13,749 --> 00:31:10,999
you know when you use make this if you

670
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:13,759
want to pop your ears that was the site

671
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:15,289
there being a bit of heat coming from it

672
00:31:21,310 --> 00:31:19,070
then that fresh no I just think you know

673
00:31:23,499 --> 00:31:21,320
I just think he cannot stop the cold

674
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:23,509
yeah and Johnny late wasn't it it should

675
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:25,580
have been cold yeah yeah but then I was

676
00:31:32,139 --> 00:31:27,320
a kiddin I was out nowhere there's any

677
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:32,149
way not the money no acid is gone you

678
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:33,470
noticed that the people are gone as well

679
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,369
yeah yeah so Dave and I stayed on in I'm

680
00:31:40,989 --> 00:31:39,440
like not something I wasn't even aware

681
00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:40,999
of the people at that point only when

682
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,379
they came out did I look and I go oh

683
00:31:46,869 --> 00:31:44,960
yeah we went way even go night we're all

684
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:46,879
looking at it you know I suppose but I

685
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:49,730
was focusing it was just me focusing

686
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:51,970
then I was books on anyone else this is

687
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:01,910
in the end when take when and as we go

688
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:03,830
it I'm I didn't even took my eyes off it

689
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,710
and he said I've seen enough is a UFO

690
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,350
it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity we

691
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:13,020
do it and deal with them I just carried

692
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:14,850
on walking then actually the core might

693
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:17,010
sheet I said what you doing at shouldn't

694
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:18,600
send it just walked in mmm

695
00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:26,340
Fox fluidly kind of you know when I so

696
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,800
this is deep you know I'm standing that

697
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:30,960
good you know but what you doing Dave

698
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:34,920
just goes seen enough her name and she

699
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:37,350
came it just he just steps down and she

700
00:32:49,299 --> 00:32:46,620
just was very how many people he would

701
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:49,309
just bang them one in your mind yeah but

702
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:51,990
because I mean most people want to see

703
00:32:57,620 --> 00:32:55,110
this to me I think I'd probably dreamt

704
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,630
about or asked for this to happen

705
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,760
many of you know like say I was very

706
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,440
uncomfortable when it happens what

707
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,360
you're saying basically is if something

708
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:05,640
was convincing him to service yes that's

709
00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:08,250
what we do I feel like that is and

710
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:09,660
whether he knew it or not I mean there

711
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:11,580
was no choice I think it was his choice

712
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:36,900
how'd you explain this right so across

713
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:40,420
the street here this is the stadium

714
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:43,210
shape alcoholic protrusion underneath

715
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,080
the craft that I saw these were the

716
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:50,080
windows they were paralyzed pulsing

717
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:53,290
lights that would move but more pulse

718
00:33:59,250 --> 00:33:56,890
and move and it wasn't her this I call

719
00:34:01,980 --> 00:33:59,260
it as my seventies craft because it was

720
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:01,990
very clunky it wasn't streamlined as

721
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:07,180
you'd imagine a space craft to be so um

722
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:09,400
it was almost like I could see the joins

723
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:12,700
of everything you know the it was crude

724
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:16,090
and this is all the darkness I couldn't

725
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:17,590
see that I think that's the bottom of

726
00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:19,750
the craft but I was focusing on this so

727
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:22,630
I couldn't see this is from the floor to

728
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:25,510
the pavement 30 feet above imagine the

729
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:28,450
houses 20 to 40 feet I suppose and all

730
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:32,080
in total it was very low it was silent

731
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:34,750
you could hear a pin drop ascent it felt

732
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:37,419
like your ears would pop but that was

733
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:39,970
the atmosphere of the street so there

734
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,190
was people stand into this side in this

735
00:34:47,630 --> 00:34:45,280
house people stand in there's another

736
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:47,640
set of houses and next ones over and

737
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:50,080
then on my side there was a lot of

738
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:51,790
people like but by the time the

739
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:54,640
continent my everyone had went and the

740
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:56,080
craft had gone there was nobody on the

741
00:35:02,000 --> 00:34:58,710
street but myself so this is opposite

742
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:02,010
pictured Road this is 38 where I'm at

743
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:06,040
well those numbers of Zartha it's would

744
00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:16,790
be by 10 feet there it was

745
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:22,350
and my sister who was with me who was

746
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:25,500
standing next to me only many years

747
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:27,000
later she'd say she remember it like a

748
00:35:31,850 --> 00:35:30,030
dream and she saw the circumference of

749
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,860
the craft and all these lights come in

750
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,900
at the edge which would have been all

751
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:35,700
the way over there to the end of the

752
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,010
street certainly the end of those houses

753
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,380
if not further so if that's the

754
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:43,560
circumference she saw I can't judge that

755
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:45,330
I just remember this being black and

756
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:47,250
when it disappeared all I could see was

757
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:49,710
dots of stars but it didn't disappear it

758
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:52,410
just it was just gone and that's what

759
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:54,690
left me dumbfounded because I wanted it

760
00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:55,890
to see it girl do you know what that

761
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,120
sounds like to me it tells that you're

762
00:36:00,860 --> 00:35:59,040
abducted and just pop back at the spot

763
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,870
and they tuck off some of the time you

764
00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:03,000
come round it as far as you can see they

765
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:04,830
just got it to me I'm such a strong pair

766
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:07,850
and I know my mind I know you know I

767
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,010
don't unless they just completely wiped

768
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:13,020
it and let me think what I wanted to

769
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,610
think like my stepfather is very

770
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:16,740
strong-minded as well for him not to

771
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,080
remember it I just feel it's just it is

772
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:20,760
it that that's the bit that lets me down

773
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:22,590
and get cut it about because I don't

774
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:25,860
know what happened but the pool patch if

775
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:27,510
I go back to a hypnotist and find out it

776
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:30,930
was a I was not a nice it's very no no

777
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:32,490
we got this on camera can you can you

778
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:34,350
show the bone Patrick and do you mind no

779
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:41,070
I get to that's right can you help me

780
00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:44,330
find it I don't know what I can feel it

781
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:48,030
yeah what's it but if you feel it there

782
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:48,980
is a lump there

783
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:53,520
yeah I see it Kichi a lump see it yeah